Dec 5, 2010, 4:27 AM
Post #6 of 6
Thank you all for this valuable information. I am sharing my mom's story here because it might be pertinent and of interest to others who have similar markers and background.
Re: [Kim de Beus] Jewish Marker Information
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And so - my mom got her Jewish results in recently, and they are as follows:
She had long suspected that there could be some Jews on her dad's side of the family in particular. Both her parents have a predominantly Russian background and didn't come to the United States until the 1890s/early 1900s, but their Russian background may only be in terms of location; they probably weren't Slavic at all, but with a dominant Germanic element. After all, her paternal grandmother claimed Volga German ancestry (also known as Catherine the Great's Germans, Germans who were brought into Russia by her 1760s manifestos), and her mother's side of the family has German Mennonites from Russia, as well as some Norwegians (kind of a typical Minnesotan/Dakotan background, and that is where she grew up and has lived all her life).
With that said, her results surprised me a bit. I was not expecting her to test positive for Jewish markers from both parents; I didn't think her mother, my maternal grandmother, was anything except pure German and Norwegian. I know the Jewish I marker is the least indicative of the three, but the fact there may be some Ashkenazi in there is pretty remarkable to me.
As for III, that also is fascinating; it proves that either there was more mixing among the German Russians than Catherine the Great wanted (she tried to bar German Jews from coming to Russia), or that after these Germans came to Russia, they weren't as stringent about sticking to their group as historians have documented (most sources I've read claimed the Volga Germans kept mostly to themselves in Russia). Regardless, while I am surprised, I am not 100% so because some of mother's uncles looked VERY Middle Eastern. Her dad didn't in particular, but some of his brothers sure did: very dark complexion, curly hair, etc. So, while she and I didn't inherit the stereotypical phenotype (actually, I probably did with my hair, which skipped my mom somehow), it's still in the family line.
Finally, the III marker is almost certainly Jewish in her case. One of her uncles carried around the Star of David way back in the 1940s, so if the III marker indicated something like Arabic or Syrian in her case, that habit would have been very odd. If the Middle Eastern marker indicates anything other than Jewish in her case (or something Middle Eastern mixed with Jewish), it could be Turkish because her paternal grandfather did enjoy Tatar dances, and the various Tatar groups usually have some Turkic element if he is indeed was part of that group ethnically (he may have just done the dances because it was common Russian custom, and he was a master at blending into whatever national customs were required, whether it was language, dance, mannerisms, etc.).
With all that said, if anyone knows about any Kurds, Syrians, Arabs, Berbers, Basques, Greeks, and Italians who somehow made their way into the Saratov/Samara and Omsk/Tomsk regions of Russia, do tell - but otherwise, I think the III marker is indicative of either Jewish, Turkish, or both given my mom's background.