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CARNEY DNA Project

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:17 am

Wautaga Washing County TN
Land Deeds and indentures

Washington County, Tennessee: Vol. 6: Nov. 1794-1798:

Reference: Roll # 196: Register of Deeds: Nov 1790-Dec 1795: Vol.
5-6-E (7)
Adams, Carney,
http://www.copies1918.com/washingtonland6.html
Margaret, Thomas


Joseph Cooper, Adams, Carney
http://www.copies1918.com/washingtonland6.html


Ninety Six District: North Side of Saluda River: Plat
Book: A. 1784-85, 1788, 1793-1794:
South Carolina Library and Archives: Roll #D2: Plat Book.
862

CooperJohn 1030

Cooper Samuel 246

Cooper Stacey 858

Cooper

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:49 am

GA Loyalists were given 6 months to settle their business affairs. Lachlan had already transferred Vale Royal to his cousin John McGillivray in Sep 1781. He sailed for England May 1782. On May 4, his estates were confiscated by the Georgia General Assembly. He was fourth on the list. John McGillivery was 96 and among
the last loyalists to leave GA. With Gov Wright he sailed for Jamaica April 8, 1783. This ended Lachlan dream
of establishing the clan in GA 22
Many Georgians resettled in British East Florida , West Fl later Natchez 1798, and Mobile til 1819
17 Mar 1780 Oath of Allegiance at Mobile www.pantherslodge.com sworn after the Spanish conquered Mobile
Oath of Allegiance Sworn Provisionally by the English Residents of Mobile [on] 17 March 1780,
At Three O'Clock in the Afternoon selected names
Jas. MCGillvray, WM Gordon, James Cooper,Samuel Cooper,John Carny, (is this TN/NC or GA John?)
John Price,Walter Turnbull(John Turnbull brother) John McIntosh, Thomas Taylor, John Brady, Benjamin Fooy
1780 TN James Robertson and John Donelson settle around the Big Salt Lick on the Cumberland River at Ft Nashborough(Later becomes Nashville) draw up the Cumber Compact for the Gov of GA. Jonesborough is the first Chartered Town See 1779
1789 A North Carolina land grant of 630 acres in Davidson Co TN on the south side of the Cumberland River was assigned to John Donelson by the Heirs of Arthur Carney (Listed KERNEY in W. B>) It is not known who this Arthur is, June’s notes from Mrs Rex Bennett Wash Ar. DJt’s note This is not the Arthur m Mary White in AR Relationship not known, however, note John Donelson was one of the Founders of Nashville, one of the Banished loyalists from GA, as was Arthur Jr, his Fathers Arthur Sr land in GA was confiscated in 1783. Arthur Sr was prob also a land owner in NC as he was a Trader, there was Trade in Nashville, We Need to find if this original deed lists the names of the Kerney Heirs, Could this perhaps relate to John Carney in Davidson, TN be his Father, This would finally give us the piece to connect Jerry Kerneys father Arthur Jr, and circumstancial relationshisps we know of to Sally and Ikenaby John Carney, , All these guys in Nashville were intriguing with the Spanish during the war, and trading, some on the trace leading to Natchez and other connections with Gibson and Cooper in GA, TN, Natchez as well

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:21 am

One conclusion, I've been thinking about upon reviewing my collection of notebooks is that Arthur Carney isn't the Father of Carney in TN, but is of Choctaw Carney as Trader, they are related to the lineage though, John Carney is top of the TN Carney, MS Carney, AL Carney. AL Carney John Carney and Mary A married in Maury County T.n, were in MS moved to Washing County, AL part Choctaw County AL by 1850. The MS Carney have oral tradition that their line is Ikenaby John Carney and Sally. Sally was an "Orphan" taken in by TN Carney. I think somewhere along the line Sally last name was handed down as Carney before marriage, however Ikenaby took the name of John Carney when he .moved to MS according to June, he became John Jr, then John Sr when he had a son John.then down the line there is a son John each generation. There's nobody named Arthur.
At After MS Choctaw removals a Treaty was made where Choctaw could become citizens but had to give up Indian Ways. Which we lost, but was remembered by the elders, details can get fuzzy, but Hese are consistent with
"The name John goes way back"
"John was Choctaw"
"Ikenaby registered to become a citizen if M.s"
Iklanabbee
Wards Register (reg of Choctaw wishing to become citizens according to 1830 Treaty May 1831 Iklanabbee - children under 10 none over 10 3

Official spelling of Ikenaby on Choctaw record
Iklanabbee : Ik lan abbee. Ik lan abi
Fr
Itiibapishi toba (to become brother or sister) and Issish iklanna (Literally "Half blood" )
Iksa Clan
Abi to kill or loosely Warrior

According to
Choctaws in a Revolutionary Age by Greg Obrien

Ikenaby is the way name appears in Article MS newspaper and handed down in genealogy by Rials family , granddaughter of IK Sally who married Moses Rial.
Tilton, MS relatives say he changed name to John when he Ikenaby married Sally ? Orphan taken in by TN Carney

So, the translation of his name
Ikenaby is literally a half blood Warrior John Carney
It was customary for a Choctaw to change or be given other names to commemorate an important event.

Iilanubbee, Warrior with Pusmataha at War of 1812


John Kearney Sr, of Davidson County, TN was in the regiment Crockett in Militia of George Rogers Clark
He was in Kaskaskia
Took Oath of Allegiance 1780 at Mobile
Was in Natchez. West Florida rebellion sent residents back up the trace to Davidson TN, John Turnbull and John Turner 1810 John Sr
Was in Sumner County by 1830 as John Jr buying selling Land with William and Elijah Carney (June Pollard)
In Marion MS Census as John Sr with son John m Mary A Simmons
Etc



Ikenaby married
"Sallee was an orphan taken in by TN Cousins" took name of John Carney
People have taken that to be Sally last name Carney

"Jerry was a cousin" signed the Treaty of Doak with Capt Red Bird and Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek.

John was in Spanish Mobile 1780 and traded in Natchez, 1799, 1800, McFarland, Panton,Forbes, Mather and Strother, Arthur in With Choctaw 1783, 1787, 1796,1799 in Natchez
Went from there to TN.
William of Georgia was Trader with John Turnbull left estate to nephews Arthur Carney Choctaw and William of GA. William Carney of GA early settler of St Mary's River, Fernandina GA.
Some descendants in FL.
Arthur's descendants among Choctaw in OK and some in AR.
Thomas Carney traded in Spanish Fl. Was settler in Wautaga m Washington County, TN
Some Carney in AL say "Thomas is progeny. I haven't found absolutely proof, however, the DNA tests show that, Thomas Carney of Davidson , TN,
John, William, Elijah, Vincent Carney of Davidson TN
John Carney of Marion County, MS and J
John Carney of Cho County, Al, King Hiriam Carney, John W Carney match marker 0-1 distance depending on number of test markers.
Thomas Carney of MD traded among the Delaware Indians, came with John Dobelson, from M.d to Wautaga. The heirs of Arthur Carney sold land to John Donelson, I don't have Deed need. James Robertson, John Turner, Arthur Carney kinda hang together in various records from being loyalist banned from GAm business of West Fl. Etc.
That's what we need to work on and quit mixing the lines up. It's been a long puzzle, there's more to find now there's more on the net,
Also, DNA of .kt Richard Carney whose descendants cone into AL also Do Not Natch.
Let Richard line says they are Carney from William Carney of Lower Norfolk.
Thomas Carney was from Sonerset MD, previously Manakin, a purveyor of the French Huguenots, som that is "Jerry said his father came in with French in 1731Through an Interpreter. "
There are a number of French Huguenot families in the family, Bonner, Jones, Jorda, Dupree (French Royals" From NC to AL and Indian Tribes from VA early settlements. That's probably why we can't connect all the Carney directly as some lines come through females.
Carney is in the earliest lists of Melungeon
http://www.eclectica.org/v5n3/hashaw.html

1670's: Anderson, Atkins, Barton, Boarman, Bowser, Brown, Bunch, Buss, Butcher, Butler, Carney, Case, Church, Combess, Combs, Consellor, Day, Farrell/Ferrell, Fountain, Game, Gibson/Gipson, Gregory, Grimes, Grinnage, Hobson, Howell, Jeffries, Lee, Manuel, Morris, Mullakin, Nelson, Osborne, Pendarvis, Quander, Redman, Reed, Rhoads, Rustin, Skipper, Sparrow, Stephens, Stinger, Swann, Waters, Wilson.

1680's: Artis, Booth, Britt, Brooks, Bryant, Burkett, Cambridge, Cassidy, Collins, Copes, Cox, Dogan, Donathan, Forten/Fortune, Gwinn, Hilliard, Hubbard, Impey, Ivey, Jackson, MacDonald, MacGee, Mahoney, Mallory, Okey, Oliver, Penny, Plowman, Press/Priss, Price, Proctor, Robins, Salmons/Sammons, Shoecraft, Walden, Walker, Wiggins, Wilkens, Williams

1690's: Annis, Banneker, Bazmore, Beddo, Bond, Cannedy/Kennedy, Chambers, Conner, Cuffee, Dawson, Durham, Ford, Gannon, Gates, Graham, Hall, Harrison, Hawkins, Heath, Holt, Horner, Knight, Lansford, Lewis, Malavery, Nichols, Norman, Oxendine, Plummer, Pratt, Prichard, Rawlinson, Ray, Ridley, Roberts, Russell, Sample, Savoy, Shaw, Smith, Stewart, Taylor, Thompson, Toney, Turner, Weaver, Welsh, Whistler, Willis, Young

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:33 am

http://huguenot-manakin.org/manakin/bugg.php

The French Huguenot Frontier Settlement
of Manakin Town

By James L. Bugg, Jr. [retired president of Old Dominion University]

Presented by permission of the author.
Published in the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography,

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:38 am

http://colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getpe ... tree=Tree1

Thomas Carney, John Carney, Sarah Carney married John Anderson

John born 1732 VA who is in TN abt 1788
With a Thomas Carney at the Wautaga Settlement with John Donelson who brought immigrants from MD

This became Washington County NC (TN)

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:42 am

http://colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getpe ... tree=Tree1

Thomas Carney, John Carney, Sarah Carney married John Anderson



Name Thomas Carney
Born Abt 1691
Gender Male
Died Aft 24 Feb 1708/09 Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Person ID I070301 Tree1
Last Modified 27 Oct 2017

Family ID F32792 Group Sheet | Family Chart

Family Mary {Unproven} Franklin, b. Abt 1677, Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft Aug 1709, Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 32 years)
Married Bef 24 Feb 1708/09 Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Children
1. Thomas Carney, b. Bef 1708, Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 1741, Prince William County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location (Age > 35 years)
2. John Carney, b. Bef 1720, Overwharton Parish, Stafford County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location
Last Modified 27 Oct 2017
Family ID F32791 Group Sheet | Family Chart

Notes
===
WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA ORDER BOOK, 1707-1709 {Antient Press}: pg 76
Westmoreland County Court 24th of February 1708/09
- McCARTY v SPENCER p CARNEY
Judgment is granted DANIEL McCARTY against the Estate of JOHN SPENCER, Gent., deceased, in the hands of THOMAS CARNEY, who intermarried with MARY, the Relict and Executrix of JOHN SPENCER, for eight hundred seventy pounds of tobacco. Ordered sd CARNEY pay the same to said McCARTY together with costs &c. als Execution
===
WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA ORDER BOOK, 1709-1712 {Antient Press}: pg 87
Westmoreland County Court 29th ofAugust 1711
- SPENCER's Guardian ASHTON The Petition of MARY CARNEY, Wife and Attorney of TIMOTHY CARNEY, and late Wife of JOHN SPENCER, Gent., deced, praying the Guardianshipp of FRANCES SPENCER, Daughter of JOHN & MARY [who now is in the custody ofFRANCIS SPENCER, her Uncle who by Law is not qualified to keep her], being heard and maturely considered by the Court it is their opinion FRANCIS SPENCER ought not keep and detaine FRANCES, his Cousin, and thereupon they doe order by and with the consent of MARY CARNEY that HENRY ASHTON, Gent., have the tuition and Guardianshhipp of FRANCES SPENCER for whome he became surety at her Baptism and it is further ordered FRANCIS SPENCER doe deliver his Cousin into the custody and care of HENRY ASHTON or order without delay
=== ?
Thomas Carney 33A.40 I CH £9.15.0 Dec 17 1711
Appraisers: Thomas Harris, Richard Smith.
Creditors: John Gwinn, Cornelius Redman.
===
Thomas Carney 33B.175 A CH £9.15.0 #5084 Dec 30 1712
The amount of the inventory is equivalent to #2340.
Payments to: Philip Dowlen.
Administrator: Capt. William Harbert.

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:46 am

I have other research and directly related families around these families and other
Relatives from the Northern Neck of VA. Understanding this area is the migration from MD went to NN Old Rappahanock, Essex, Richmond county in period.

Old Somerset on the Eastern Shore of MD by Torrence Regional Pub Co. p275. The County of Northampton otherwise called Accomack in Virginia " gave to Maryland the first Settlers for the section of " the Eastern Shore below Choptank River " from whose southernmost area(south Nanticoke River) the County of Somerset was erected in August 1666. The section of Virginia from which these founders of Somerset came was immediately South of the Maryland and Virginia Boundary Line on the "Eastern Shore" Northampton otherwise called Accomack (Eastern Shore Indians same name according to Helen Roundtree)

P80
Name Liber folio remarks
Thomas Carney 10 191 of Manakin River
Thomas Carney 119 transported 1679
Robert Carney WC 2 128 Transported 1679
The Early Settlers of Maryland Skorda


Stafford Virginia Northern neck Residents
Thomas Carney 1729/30 Little Hunting Creek (Timber Branch)
John Carney 1742 Chopowamsie Creek
John Carney 1743/47 Chopowamsie Creek
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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:02 pm

At this point I want to look into autosomal
With Family. After all this time I don't have matches any further back, a few match in Unknown

https://dnaconsultants.com/product/our- ... rint-plus/

Male and females can take this test.

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:46 pm

June Pollard said her TN Carneyscame to TN "The southern way by i Carr to avoid the Mountains that would have been with John Donelson who's daughter Rachel Marrued Andrew Jackso. The Heirs of Arthur Carney sold land to Donelson
Land Bordered Carney Land thereafter


http://heritagelib.org/Surname%20Files/ ... 20John.pdf

June's line is William Carney son of John Davidson County TN Cumberland Pioneers
William Carney m Rebecca Gukkedge descendants of Trade John Watts and Cherokee Woman

25.SISTER4 TASSEL (GREAT EAGLE3(WILLENAWAH), CHIEF MOYTOY II2(AMADOHIYI), CHIEF MOYTOY I (AMADOHIYI) OF1CHOTA)She married JOHN WATTS.
More About JOHN WATTS:
Fact: White officer at Ft. Loudon, Old Hop's interpreter

Children of SISTER TASSEL and JOHN WATTS are:
i. UNAKATEEHEE (WHITE MAN5 KILLER).
ii. JOHN WATTS (YOUNG TASSEL), b. Abt. 1760, Overhills Towns, Tennessee; d. 1808, Wills Town, Cherokee Nation.
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/a/n/Dona ... -0005.html



John Watts of Will's Town (near Fort Payne, Alabama), became the new Chickamauaga leader of the united war effort. Cherokee resistance continued - led a big campaign against settlements in Nashville (Buchanan Station 1793) and in upper east Tennessee led the combined Cherokee-Creek attack at
Cavett's Station in 1793 in which there were no white survivors.
*************************
Children of ATTAKULLAKULLA and OLLIE are:
13.
i.                     DRAGGING4 CANOE, b. Abt. 1734, The Overhill Settlements (now Monroe Co), TN; d. March 01, 1792, Lookout Town, TN.
14.
ii.                     TAH-CHEE, b. Abt. 1736; d. Aft. 1828.
            iii.                    THE BADGER, b. Abt. 1738.
            Notes for THE BADGER:
Attended 1: November 1788, Eustinali council
Attended 2: June 1792, Estinawa council
Blood: 3/4 Cherokee
Clan: Paint Clan (Mrs Oconostota)
            iv.                    LITTLE OWL, b. Abt. 1740.
15.
v.                    OLLIE II, b. Abt. 1756.
16.
vi.                    TURTLE-AT-HOME, b. Abt. 1758.
            vii.                   WURTAGUA, b. Abt. 1760; m. JOHN WATTS, JR; b. Abt. 1750, Willstown, AL; d. Abt. 1808, Willstown, AL.
            Notes for JOHN WATTS, JR:
aka Young Tassel and Kunoskeskie . .
Source http://shaybo-therisingtide.blogspot.co ... oytoy.html


WURTAGUA, b. Abt. 1760; m. JOHN WATTS (YOUNG TASSEL); b. Abt. 1750, Willstown, Cherokee Nation (now Alabama); d. 1808, Willstown, Cherokee Nation (now Alabama).
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/a/n/Dona ... -0003.html
 
Daughter
8.CHIEF ATTAKULLAKULLA3 (NANCY2MOYTOY, CHIEF MOYTOY I (AMADOHIYI) OF1CHOTA


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