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CARNEY DNA Project

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CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:59 am

The Carney DNA Project was started @ DNA Consultants in 2005.
Since that time we still haven't found any matches to Carney further back then us
One of our Sponsors June Pollard Passed a few years ago. Other members have had medical issues and computer -Internet issues. Some causing a loss of email addresses for contact and computer upgrade problems. I have been reviewing and reconstructing data from paper and databases.

The participants of this project tested John Carney in TN 1786 Sumner County, then Davidson County, TN sons Elijah, Vincent, John Carney Died in MS aka John Carney Jr. Of TN, son John Carney married Art A. Simmons, Maury County, TN. , son John Carney married Sarah Cox, and 2 of their children. All these families are related . June Pollard of Davidson County TN, research this family over 30 years, I have going on 18, there is no indication that a Choctaw lineage is in this particular lineage. We still need to find a particular to test from the Jerry Kearney son of Arthur Carney trader and Hoke. Hoke also joined with Louis Lafleur and had 2 daughter I can prove. There is a long standing Oral Tradition that the Carneys and Lafleurs came in with the French Military, in 1731. Actually that is earlier perhaps.
There are numerous Choctaw Carneys that we can't connect to ours in records, but welcome any to take the Y test. @37 markers or more.
We also compared results to Thomas Carney of MO. They match Davidson, TN John Carney.
We compared results in the project to a descendent of Lt. Richard Carney , and William Carney Emigrated in VA. They do not match.

I saw a wiki Tree that referenced this project DNA tested to Carney of TN, listing
The TN Carney as son of Samuel Carney of Amelia, Orangeburgh, TN. To my knowledge that line isn't tested, at any rate not by this project, not listed in Y search, and if you have results, please share here. To say it was tested in conjunction with this project is spreading misinformation.
My research shows, there are 2 John Carney died in St. Phillips Parish SC 1739 & 1742.
Traditional research Path of VA, SC, NC/TN is not applying in our case .
Mixing up all the popul Names John Carney is a problem

June Pollard said, by there tradition they came to TN the Southern Way to avoid the Mountains. That would be the Mississippi Territory which is very complicated research through French and Spanish Records.


Any Carneys that would like to share results here feel free.

Carneys are considered Melungeon and that is also not tradition research.

I have not drawn or published my final conclusion on this project hoping to get results of above mention.

Here is some new and interesting results from folks that have since tested.

W8RGB Carney, William and John Davidson, TN
A2E5H Carney, Thomas Davidson, TN
GTXMS Sizemore, (Creek, Choctaw SEIndian)
RGUFD Tyre Kelley GA Creek, Area
TVN59 Kelley, MSTerritory
66TA4 Kelly, Galway, Ireland (our Kelly Tradition)
SRQZW Gibson Newmans Ridge, TN
URKXZ Gilbert Gibson , Gibson DNA Project
8MSVF Gibson, Monck Corner, SC
7F47H Ramey , Ireland
66TA4 Sanchez Portugal
AZM9Q Kennedy Dumplin, NC
7CXE3 Kennedy,
NXRKW Winkler, NY
YRYD4 Simmons ,
SBWYY Simons, German Palatinates
HJ8V2 Stewart, Skye Scotland
GJSWM Welsh R1b1c
GEBFM Neal,
GB6Q5 Winkler NY
S5UU8 McFarland, Scotland (had Trading Co, LA)
Q9E4E Cummings (Brashear, Carney, MS/LA)
EVZY5 Cooper

D3VDM Taylor (John Taylor MS Territory)
F9V3Q Jenkins, Wales (Indian Line)
3KDCW Goff, NC (Gough French Huguenot)
AEPDC Nelson, (Choctaw)
BDW2F Bonney, MA
BFQYN Cox, England
BGEXE Bell, Suncroft, Ireland
BTX82 Webb, PA
RCM64 McCarty, Ireland
TMWZN Adams, KY


Heres, my list of notes. I was so excited to show you the () are my notes. Run with Carney ID we only match ourselves or Irish Kelley, U Nial.
Traders Carney probably worked for McFarland CO in West Feleciana, LA and Natchez, McIntosh Traders in GA. Turnbull and Associates Spanish FL
There are Carney Indian in Delaware Indians, Choctaw, Chickasaw, SE,

W8RGB Carney, William and John Davidson, TN
A2E5H Carney, Thomas Davidson, TN
GTXMS Sizemore, (Creek, Choctaw SEIndian)
RGUFD Tyre Kelley GA Creek, Area
TVN59 Kelley, MSTerritory
66TA4 Kelly, Galway, Ireland (our Kelly Tradition)
SRQZW Gibson Newmans Ridge, TN
URKXZ Gilbert Gibson , Gibson DNA Project
8MSVF Gibson, Monck Corner, SC
7F47H Ramey , Ireland
66TA4 Sanchez Portugal
AZM9Q Kennedy Dumplin, NC
7CXE3 Kennedy,
NXRKW Winkler, NY
YRYD4 Simmons ,
SBWYY Simons, German Palatinates
HJ8V2 Stewart, Skye Scotland
GJSWM Welsh R1b1c
GEBFM Neal,
GB6Q5 Winkler NY
S5UU8 McFarland, Scotland (had Trading Co, LA)
Q9E4E Cummings (Brashear, Carney, MS/LA)
EVZY5 Cooper ?

D3VDM Taylor (John Taylor MS Territory)
F9V3Q Jenkins, Wales (Indian Line)
3KDCW Goff, NC (Gough French Huguenot)
AEPDC Nelson, (Choctaw)
BDW2F Bonney, MA
BFQYN Cox, England
BGEXE Bell, Suncroft, Ireland
BTX82 Webb, PA
RCM64 McCarty, Ireland
TMWZN Adams, KY

Traders Carney were also involved with McIntosh traders in GA.
Spanish FL including St. Augustine. Mobile, Natchez, Mero District, before 1780 and after .
Panton, Leslie and Forbes.
before 1780 French LA including Mobile and NOLA @1731
McFarland trading company West Feliciana Parish, LA -Baton Rouge (Redbones) (Robert McFarland and John Rhea)
Natchez, with Samuel Gibson Bayou Pierre,
Arthur, William from GA since 1757, John Carney.
John Carney, Clarke County, AL after Ft Mims. Among Creek.
Tyre Kelley, was on Thomas Bonner of GA estate sale among Creek, Chief William McIntosh, Bonner Son Jordan in AL was at Ft. Moms but "escaped" day before my line.
Bonners go to Chowan Precinct, NC
Short Summary

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:20 am

As part of my MS Territory, Native American study I included my Adams
There are 0 exact matches with it. Family claims Full blood Cherokee
My Native American 18 Marker Panel proves that to be true at DNA Consultants
J2
So, I ran a y search and found no matches but these markers
Adams
7E59W J2
Adams, William G.
South Carolina, USA , Choctaw County, AL
May end female Adams
 
3A223
minimal modal for extra 464 copy
Unknown 
 
KPA3T
Umbargeretc
23w17, France
 
************
The line I thought I'd match was C Isaac Adams, neighbor in Census and Land Grants .
It differs in Y was I1 and several interesting marker matches.
Which incidentally matches some of my autosomal matches
I included the Newton surname as it is a middle name carried down my line and from York, SC where Female Adams shows born

And this is new to me but not surprising
Matches Weatherford and Cooper


QU7J4
Adams, C Isaac
USA Choctaw County, AL

UANHC, William Warren I1
Choctaw County, AL

9Z57D
Weatherford
Unknown

JG98P
COOPER
Unknown 

BGFUR
Newton
Unknown 

PYFGU
Newton , Newberry, SC

 
3YRRS
1POS-1111101415-5/543
(European)-North Sea area, Germany 

GP4S2
1POR-1111101315-5/1000+I/G/F/I2b
(Central European)-Hungary,
 
 
GXB62
1QOS-1112101415-5/69
(Irish), Ireland



 
 

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:22 am

My Kelley matchs 0 in US but matches current clan chief in Ireland
And has U Nial of the Nine Hostages Markers

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:38 pm

So, I'm still updating my info on DNA Project of family lines. Bonner is one I'm interested in, the Bonners are from England to Chowan Precinct VA then NC in The Albemarle Sound, Roanoke Area. Then after Rev War Thomas Bonner settled on Dove Creek GA. Among the Creek. He married Margaret Jones from Same area, their son, Jordan Bonner traded with the Creeks in Carroll County GA, around Cief William McIntosh. He escaped Ft. Mins the day before, with pregnant daughter
Mahala who married John Parker Jenkins. No info on Jenkins, though I know there is an Indian line in AL, so Jordans first wife Rachel Moon was Indian, his second , she died in MS Territory Wahibgton County, and he went back to GA and marred
Mary Polly Adams, I don't know her parents but probably related to my female mother Louisa Adams mother of William G. She named a son Rueben, and one Newton Jasper. In some of my Bonner y search I noted a Newton ans Bobber relationship and revised the Bonner Project which has several surnames
Jordan Bonner DNA Project
9410
13 24 14 10 13 13 12 12 12 14 13 31
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... bonnerdna/

And found Newton, I guess ours the "so called " Royal line
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... rname.html

Family of John Newton, a Yorkshire man with shipping interests who eventually came to live in and around St. Paul's Parish in (then) Stafford County, Virginia. He was born about 1640 and died about 1697.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ewton.html

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... newtondna/

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... onner/DNA/

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:38 pm

So, I'm still updating my info on DNA Project of family lines. Bonner is one I'm interested in, the Bonners are from England to Chowan Precinct VA then NC in The Albemarle Sound, Roanoke Area. Then after Rev War Thomas Bonner settled on Dove Creek GA. Among the Creek. He married Margaret Jones from Same area, their son, Jordan Bonner traded with the Creeks in Carroll County GA, around Cief William McIntosh. He escaped Ft. Mins the day before, with pregnant daughter
Mahala who married John Parker Jenkins. No info on Jenkins, though I know there is an Indian line in AL, so Jordans first wife Rachel Moon was Indian, his second , she died in MS Territory Wahibgton County, and he went back to GA and marred
Mary Polly Adams, I don't know her parents but probably related to my female mother Louisa Adams mother of William G. She named a son Rueben, and one Newton Jasper. In some of my Bonner y search I noted a Newton ans Bobber relationship and revised the Bonner Project which has several surnames

And found Newton, I guess ours the Adams Royal line
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... rname.html

Family of John Newton, a Yorkshire man with shipping interests who eventually came to live in and around St. Paul's Parish in (then) Stafford County, Virginia. He was born about 1640 and died about 1697.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ewton.html

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... newtondna/

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... onner/DNA/

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:44 pm

And how am I not surprised by Cooper showing up?
To get started in my Search for Cherokee Ancestry and my Adams I only had the following.
My dads grandfather was full blood Cherokee, we Re related to Adams in Texas (Where C Isaac descendants migrated). Our cousins are Coooer and Doggett.
Not like President Adams,
This lead me to Donald Yates Genealogy And ongoing research .
Adams is Scottish, J2. I believe and I found Clan Chattan Clan of the Cat
Which is a sept of McIntosh.
Earlier traders in Darien

http://www.historicbanningmills.com/about-us/history/ Chief William McIntosh


https://en.mwikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Chattan


Darien Scheme this is wher Carney come in too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

My Mom told me we were related to John Quincy Adams. I took it to mean. President, however C Issac has a John Quincy Adams as a descendant.

She told me that my dads mother(Lovett, GMT Mozingo) was Cajan , I knew that probably meant Creole like in LA but it's spelled Cajun there. Turns out there are a group in AL called
Alabama Cajun
http://www.alabamapioneers.com/interest ... fore-1940/

A study was done in 1977 and they concluded no Indian blood?
The Cajuns of Southern Alabama: morphology and serology.


MOWA is what they are seeking recognition
Because their identity as Indians was politically and commercially inconvenient, they were long ago labeled “Cajans” (sic). According to Matte, even John R. Swanton’s canonical 1948 report The Indians of the Southeastern United States refers to them only as “Cajun Indians.” The Bureau of Indian Affairs has rigorous documentary standards for proving the cultural continuity of a tribe — standards that the Alabama Choctaws cannot satisfy with their mostly oral traditions.

Ms. Matte began inquiring about the “Cajans” while working on a history of Washington County. She went on to spend hundreds of hours building trust with reclusive Choctaw elders and interviewing them. In time she published her findings in a book, They Say the Wind Is Red: The Alabama Choctaw, Lost in Their Own Land.

https://alarob.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/cajuns/


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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:09 am

My brick wall
William G Adams M Sarah Delithiann Green don't know her father
WM father Unknown mother Lucinda Adams. Her Father Godfrey Adams. Who is probably father to C Issac Adams, Louisa Adams, Mary Pollly Adams M Jordan Bonner, Nancy Adams m William Doggett, came from GA.
Son Newton and Son Rueben m Rosanna McAlister dau of Archibald Dean McAlliater and .mother Nancy Stafford. Dau of Neal Stafford and Rosanna McNeil of Robeson, NC Neal Stafford son of Malcolm Stafford and Jeanette Campbell Of Marion , SC
Surnames McAllister, McNeil, Stafford, Campbell's ! McAllister from Skye. Scotland to Capw Fear.
Son
John Wesley Adams m Nancy Sikes, surnames Sikes, James, Brooks.
Lovett Surname no more info.
Families in Washington County, MS Territory by 1820

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:07 am

Kelley was part of this, to John Kelly 1790 Wake, NC Census
We don't match anyone in US but match Current Kelly Clan chief in Ireland
Son Jesse was in Perry County. Al by 1820 into Washington County Al that became Choctaw County by 1850 m to Martha Lee dau of Richard Lee and Martha Patsy Little. Richard Lee was in Rev. War and early settler along the Tombigbee River.
Jesse son Solomon married Lula Hamburg father John Hamburg emigrated to MS by 1860 from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein a duchy of Denmark at the time. He also married first Sarah Jane Felts my line son George m Laura Hamburg sister of Lula.
DNA R1B has Uneial markers

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Re: CARNEY DNA Project

Postby D J Thornton » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:46 am

Subject: ENGLISH CROWN GRANTS IN ST. GEORGE PARISH IN GEORGIA 1755-1775
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:27:45 -0600


ENGLISH CROWN GRANTS IN ST. GEORGE PARISH IN GEORGIA 1755-1775

by Pat Bryant, Surveyor General Department, State of Georgia, 1974

Burke County came third in the list of the eight original counties cited in
the first State Constitution of 1777. Prior to that time, under the Royal
Province of Georgia, it was called St. George Parish, named after St.
George, the patron saint of England.

Many of Georgia's great Irish families came from old St. George Parish,
descended from the original settlers in Queensborough, commonly known as the
"Irish Town". Located near the mouth of Lamberts Creek on the Ogechee River,
this town was laid Out specifically for the Irish settlers, the first group
arriving from Europe in 1769

From this great county of Burke, came part of Jefferson County in which is
located Louisville, the second permanent State Capital of Georgia. Burke
also gave up territory to help form Screven and Jenkins Counties.

Unfortunately, many of the early county records of Burke are gone and
perhaps this book will add a little to the records of its early days.

Secretary of State and Surveyor General
--------------------------------------------
March 22, 1974

Introduction

The Royal Charter of June, 1732, given by King George II to the Trustees for
Establishing the Colony of Georgia in America, defined the boundaries of the
new colony as lying between the Savannah and Altamaha Rivers, extending as
far north as those rivers flowed and thence from their sources in a straight
line to the South Seas.

The land in question was in possession of the Creek and Cherokee Nations,
and when James Edward Oglethorpe, one of the Trustees and the leader of the
colony, landed at Yamacraw Bluff on the Savannah River on February 12, 1733,
he was well aware that some agreement with the Indians was necessary. His
first treaty with the Creeks in 1733 assured him of a small area along the
Savannah River, running north along it to a point opposite today's Rincon,
passing through that town and today's Eden in a diagonal line to the
Ogeechee, thence south and a little west in a straight line to the Altamaha
River, or, as it has been described elsewhere, "the area between the
Savannah and the Altamaha as high as the tides flowed." This was the small
part of the original charter grant in which the colonists settled and here
they laid out the City of Savannah. The 1733 Treaty with the Creeks reserved
two parcels of land for themselves. One was an area from Pipemaker's Bluff
to Palachucolas Creek and the other was the Islands of Ossabaw, Sapelo, and
St. Catherine. It was not until 1757 at a congress held as Savannah that a
treaty between the English and the Creeks gave to Georgia the three great
Sea Islands and the small tract of land in reserve near Savannah. By this
time. too, the colonists had settled considerably beyond the limits of the
first treaty and came to look upon all this land as their own. Oglethorpe
had early fortified St. Simons Island knowing well that it was outside of
the treaty boundary as well as the charter limits. The next year in 1758,
without treaty or permissions from the Indians, an Act of the Assembly
created seven Parishes, i.e., St. Paul, St. George, St. Matthew, Chrish
Church, St. Philip, St. John and St. Andrew. By Royal Proclamation in 1763,
the English Crown extended Georgia's southern boundary to the St. Marys
River, and by Act of Assembly again, the four new parishes of St. David, St.
patrick, St. Thomas and St. Mary were created from that extension in 1765.

The Creeks were uneasy about these expansions and in order to quiet them and
to redefine the western boundary, a new treaty was made in 1763 at Augusta.
The limits of the settlers went as far as the Little River to the north,
down the Ogeechee to the southwest corner of the present boundary line of
Bulloch County, southward crossing the upper reaches of the Canoochee River
and ended at the St. Marys.

The last of the Royal Provincial treaties was in 1773 and this included what
was called the Ceded Lands, a rich area acquired from the Creeks and
Cherokees north of the Little River to the Broad and west almost to the
Oconee River. Settlement in this area was barely begun when the first fires
of the Revolution were seen in the Province and until that war was over,
Georgia remained a relatively narrow strip along the Savannah to the
Ogeechee River.

Under the Trustees, from 1732 until the charter was resigned to the Crown in
1752, all allotments or leases of land made to the settlers were in Tail
Male. Unlike fee simple grants, the leases could not be mortgaged, sold or
otherwise disposed with. Some confusion exists about these allotments and
leases, since some of the written records refer to them as grants, when,
strictly speaking, that term is not correct. In 1752, after the
relinquishment of the charter Georgia became a Royal Province and under the
English Crown and its Royal Governors, fee simple grants were made to the
land which gave a clear title to the grantees. These Royal Grants, in the
Georgia Surveyor General Department of the Office of the Secretary of State,
begin in 1755. The three year gap between 1752 and 1755 is variously
explained by historians, but in any case, the latter year is the first date
for the grants. There are some 5000 of these recorded.

The department has now abstracted, very carefully and accurately all of the
Royal Provincial Grants. Using cards, citations to survey date, grant date,
acres, name of grantee, page and book of record are shown, and a verbatim
extraction of the description of the property granted. The legal verbiage of
`Appurtenances and hereditaments" has been omitted. All else is shown in the
abstract.

During the Revolution, according to one of the states early Surveyors
General, many of the plats of survey for the Royal Grants were destroyed. In
abstracting the grants, it was found that only one grant in four had the
plat of survey. Also, some plats existed for which there was no grant
issued, although there were not many of these. In the text, where the reader
finds no citation for a survey, there is none, and, conversely where no
grant is shown, there is none extant.

It is hoped that this effort will give important data to state officials
first, and then to geographers, historians and the general public.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Excerpts
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/SA ... 1106854065


http://www.glynngen.com/court/glynn/mis ... grants.htm
CARNEY Arthur
03 Feb. 1767
F-55 500a s side of the Altamaha Riv.

Tract located in SPP. See I-1028 entry. Bounded on the nw by Carolina Survey for Isaac Haines, ne by Morgan Sabb

CARNEY Arthur
07 Jun. 1774
I-1028 500a SPP

Bounded on the se by Morgan Sabb, and the said grantee, nw by William Jones, sw by Isaac Haynes.

CARNEY Arthur
07 Jun 1774
I-1033 500a SPP

Bounded on the sw partly by the Turtle Riv. & partly by Mr. Kixt, nw by Mr. Kixt and Isaac Haynes, ne by said Arthury Carney, se by William Webb

CARNEY Arthur
01 Nov. 1774
M-638
150a SDP

CARNEY Arthur
06 Dec. 1774
M-779 300a SPP

Bounded on se by Michael Haverlin and vacant land

CARNEY Arthur
04 Apr. 1775
M-1097
300a SPP

Bounded on the ne by said Arthur Carney

CARNEY Jane
03 Feb. 1767
F-54
300a SPP

CARNEY John
06 Sep. 1774
M-293
100a SPP

CARNEY John William


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