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Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

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Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:48 am

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There are possible descendents of several noted members, including Lope de Oviedo, of the Narváez expedition whose heritage may originate on the central Gulf Coast.

For people with indigenous ancestry of tribes of the Gulf Coast - Atakapa, Chitimacha, Choctaw, Biloxi, Apalachee, and others - or southeast and southcentral interior tribes - Wichita, Caddo, Natchez, and others - who have taken DNA tests and gotten results that indicate their heritage includes Spanish, Morrocan, Greek, or broader regions including the Iberian Peninsula, Mediterranean Europe, Middle East or North Africa (that is not believed to solely derive from recent relatives of the past two centuries; i.e. African, European or Middle Eastern ancestry from earlier than the past six to eight generations), Project misisipi is interested to hear from you.

Contact us by sending a message to the Texas Museum of Culture or Imagine a Museum Facebook Pages.
http://www.misisipi.org/#dna

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Re: Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:51 am

Interesting, I didn’t think of this with my matches. Melungeon did think of Juan Parfo, and Desoto and others, but this explains certain regional historical matches before later Spanish Settlements.

Cabaza became an Indian Trader.

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Re: Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:55 am

“Mobile Bay as the “Bahia del Espiritu Santo.” It credits this name to Spanish explorer Alonso Álvarez de Pineda, who sailed the Gulf’s northern littoral in 1519”
https://www.al.com/entertainment/index. ... _ques.html

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMKK ... oly_Spirit

When I read this project, I was a bit confused because I was always told, Research and knew that Espíritu Santo was Mobil Bay, along the Bay are other geographic features not in Galveston. But I found this recent article.

I have some of these matches mentioned that I couldn’t see why, unless it was more Ancient Ancestry, but these Autosomal tests tout, the results are for more recent Generations maybe 6-10 at most, this happening in my “ yard” makes sense along with other factors. AL has many waterways and had many tribes, that openly welcomed trade with as some evidence 1170, Spanish, French from 15-1600s. If ever we can get more info from Cuba, and if you look in Spanish Archives and books and other research, a lot of interesting info can be found.

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Re: Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:57 am

https://narangahtravel.com/2017/11/bay- ... ly-spirit/


http://baldwincountyal.gov/all-mobile/c ... ve-history


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Bay

Note mentions 4 rivers as does Galveston
Mobile Bay is an inlet of the Gulf of Mexico, lying within the state of Alabama in the United States. Its mouth is formed by the Fort Morgan Peninsula on the eastern side and Dauphin Island, a barrier island on the western side. The Mobile River and Tensaw River empty into the northern end of the bay, making it an estuary. Several smaller rivers also empty into the bay: Dog River, Deer River, and Fowl River on the western side of the bay, and Fish River on the eastern side. Mobile Bay is the fourth largest estuary in the United States with a discharge of 62,000 cubic feet (1,800 m3) of water per second.[1] Annually, and often several times during the summer months, the fish and crustaceans will swarm the shallow coastline and shore of the bay. This event, appropriately named a jubilee, draws a large crowd because of the abundance of fresh, easily caught seafood it yields. Mobile Bay is the only place on earth where jubilees are a common occurrence.

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Re: Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:06 am

There was a Ft. Of same name in late 1600, that French named Ft. Louis, the Spain named Espiritu Santo in Texas. Note after the Spanish Explorersed, in earl
Y turn or century, 1702: Spanish French moved from Biloxi and built Ft. In Mobile River moving to Current city on River near Bay entrance, Ft. Louis da la Mobile “Mo-Bill” French pronounciation. They first found the Barrier Island at mouth of Bay calling it Massacre Island. http://www.serpentsofbienville.com/massacre-island/
Massacre Island
“Early French explorers originally dubbed it Massacre Island for the mounds of sun-bleached bones that they found there. What they didn’t realize was that they had disturbed a sacred Native American burial ground that is rumored to be watched over by supernatural specters at night…”

They built port and warehouses. The current location of Ft. Louis. Is Ft, Conde
Site.

The Ft was moved after Hurricane 1711 Current Location found while building the Twin Tunnels under Mobile River. The Ft Was a visitor center now a contracted company does re-enactment.Map I 10

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Re: Cabeza de Vaca's Gulf Coast Expedition DNA search

Postby D J Thornton » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:17 am

Interesting discussion

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Notes on the History of La Bahía del Espíritu Santo

https://www.jstor.org/stable/30242768?s ... b_contents


“After successfully marching to the borders of Red River without encountering any resistance from the French, the Marquis received a royal cedula containing, among other things, the following in- structions: "That inasmuch as a treaty of peace had been agreed upon in the Spanish and French cabinets, the war against the Gallo- Americans should not be further prosecuted on the frontiers of Mobile; that he should only secure the recovery of the province of Texas, settle it in the best manner possible, and fortify it, especially at la Bahia del Espiritu Santo": showing that the King of Spain then knew of the establishment of that name.“


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