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Austin and Rice surnames

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:43 pm
by christopherswink8
I dont usually take to much stock in trees on Family Search or Ancestry. Most I have researched have discrepancies that range from mild to wild. And with Family Search anyone can add/ delete at will.

However. I have found within my mothers, mothers, father lines of Rawlings and Vernon a branch of Rice and Austins in New Kent, VA 1660-1680’s.

If accurate. One of my 10th great grandmothers, a Catawba unk name, was married to my 10th great grandfather David Rice 1684 New Kent, VA - 1770 Hanover, VA. One of their daughters, Elizabeth Rice b. 1702 VA married a Richard Austin III b. 1690 New Kent, VA, supposed Pamunkey half blood. Their daughter Mary Elizabeth Austin married into my Vernon line. One of Richard and Elizabeths sons, John Austin b. 1740 Appomattox, VA was appointed Captain of the Catawba by Governor William Bull S.C.

Richard Austin can be found around 1731 on the Mattaponi river on or near a Samuel Austins land.

Austin surname also found to be on the Pamunkey River Basin.

This new found research combined with my top matches here on DNA Consultants showing my number 3 match as Lumbee would make sense.

Re: Austin and Rice surnames

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:42 am
by christopherswink8
I am not sure how/ why I found this. A link to Geni on Cheepoake Harris. In the family and genealogical section below the heading there are Austins within this family with connections to Spaoni, Cheraw, Cataba, Mattaponi, etc. Also noted in the link is Austin’s mentioned as not of pure European blood but that of Melungeon. ... 9044065488

I am a complete amateur at genealogical research and really have no idea what I am doing and how/ where to place this information. Or even how to draw upon certain conclusions on this research.

Re: Austin and Rice surnames

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:29 am
by dpyates
Yes, Austin is a Melungeon name. The males test as having Sub-Saharan African Y chromosome types. They are all the same family. John Austin came out of Virginia/N.C. and married Hannah Love about 1720. Their grandchildren married Blevinses. All were Jewish or crypto-Jewish. Bill Emmet and Charles Austin did sterling work on the Austins, Blevinses, Coopers, Muses and related longhunter families. Check this link out ... -0001.html

Re: Austin and Rice surnames

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:21 am
by christopherswink8
Dr. Yates,

Thank you for your reply. I have read where Austin lines were Sub Saharan. Could be one source for my Sub Saharan and Jewish alleles I assume.

I will check out the link. Thank you.

I have read mention on rootsweb and other places where my Ballou/ Ballew line there were long hunters in those lines from Kentucky/ NC 1700’s.

Re: Austin and Rice surnames

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:24 am
by christopherswink8
This John Austin is likely the son of my Richard Austin III and Elizabeth Rice. All presumably of Pamunkey, Catawba and Saponi origins.

Here is a link to the transcribed Pleas and Quarterly minutes of Rowan Co. NC 1755 whereas Said John Auston a Saponi Indian and two other Indians requesting passage to negotiate peace with the Cattaba. 3 Belts of Wampum were offered up as per the treaty. ... stin/7367/

I spoke with the Rowan Co. NC library historical department today and am awaiting them to send me a copy of the original Pleas and Quarterly minutes as well as the transcribed portion.

As well as Saponi, Pamunkey and Catawba. I suspect Eno, Yuchi, Tuscarora and possibly others within these lines. I feel that all were very closely related though. This could be my connection to my Lumbee match.