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Primeval results

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Lyndsey
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Primeval results

Postby Lyndsey » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:37 pm

Hello,

These are my results from the Primeval Test:

Ancient Israelites
Average-2.54 (appears to be in Northern Israel on map)
3.81 GAL

Egyptian Mummies
Average-4.93
5.51 Nour

Chumash Indian
Average-5.01
6.61 Konoyo

Britons
Average 3.57
4.94 Virgil

Vikings
Average-4.25
5.13 OM

The results for Egyptian and Chumash appear to be consistent with my Akhenaten and Conchise matches from Rare Genes from History.

I was surprised at my average to low percentage for ancient Israelites due to my Jewish II and III markers with Jewish as rank 1 under mega populations.

Briton and Vikings seem consistent with my England/Wales/Scots/Irish/Norway matches from my Jewish dna plus results.
Last edited by Lyndsey on Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:47 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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dpyates
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Re: Primeval results

Postby dpyates » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:24 pm

Lyndsey,

These are all mid-range results except for the Chumash Paleo-Indians (6.6). That is relatively high, similar to what my wife and I both got and we have significant Native American ancestry. The way to see what is average is to compare the bars for, say, UK populations, when you are on the Roman Britons results page. Or tick some Native American pops when you are on the Chumast Paleo-Indian results. Your average is labeled Me in the bar to the far left.
Donald N. Yates, Ph.D.
Principal Investigator, http://dnaconsultants.com

Lyndsey
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Re: Primeval results

Postby Lyndsey » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:29 pm

Thank you Dr Yates!

emmdee2
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Re: Primeval results

Postby emmdee2 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:56 pm

I did not take all the tests you did but the ones I did are nearly exactly then same results so we must have a similar mix :) :

Avg. 5.02% for
CHUMASH PALEO-INDIANS
HIghest
Konoyo 6.63%

...........

Avg 4.94%
EGYPTIAN MUMMIES
Highest
Nour 5.52%
.....

Average 4.25%

VIKINGS IN MEDIEVAL ICELAND
Highest
Om 5.14%

Rare genes I had AmerInd, King Tut,Khoisan, Rain Goddess, Yellow Emperor and Europa ... Iberian my Highest Megapopulation on Native American Fingerprint and I had one Jewish III and two Jewish IV markers.

Most tests give me a very high UK/Scot/Irish/Orkney Islands and paper trail is 90% Brit/Irish/Scottish... but the Viking on this is Iceland and my Scandinavian is more Dutch than Norse. :)

Marcia

Lyndsey
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Re: Primeval results

Postby Lyndsey » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:56 am

:)

emmdee2
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Re: Primeval results

Postby emmdee2 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:16 pm

Did the additional tests and below my results, in order of strength and very much similar to yours. I do see here and other tests that use any sort of scale like the relative frequency or the exponents on the likelihood of having that particular ancestry that anyone with some mixed sort of moves into being further away from even their major ancestry. STR data compared to other Europeans on STRiDer database my numbers run in between pure European and someone further away like an African American population.

My highest on these Primeval tests are Chumash Paleo-Indian and Egyptian mummies despite being mostly European in reality. And I am mostly kind of low mid compared to those who would be most related such as Mexican Mayan is like 13% on the Chumash and I am about half that given I am not significantly Native (Mexican Mayan not sure if pure or Mestizo but that would be 40-90%? Native).

I feel like I am a little like every population but still a little distant from them all, lol.

.......

You share an average of
5.02%
genetic similarity with
CHUMASH PALEO-INDIANS
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Konoyo 6.63%
____________________________________

You share an average of
4.94%
genetic similarity with
EGYPTIAN MUMMIES
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Nour 5.52%
________________________________

You share an average of
4.25%
genetic similarity with
VIKINGS IN MEDIEVAL ICELAND
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Om 5.14%

_____________________________

You share an average of
4.11%
genetic similarity with
ICE AGE EUROPEANS
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Estella 5.04%
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬________________________________

You share an average of
3.58%
genetic similarity with
ANCIENT BRITONS IN ROMAN BRITAIN
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Virgil 4.95%
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬_________________________________

You share an average of
2.48%
genetic similarity with
STONE AGE EUROPEANS
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Gorya 4.91%
__________________________________

You share an average of
2.55%
genetic similarity with
ANCIENT ISRAELITES
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Gal 3.82%

EElhaik
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Re: Primeval results

Postby EElhaik » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:52 am

Most of these people are thousands of years old. I am guessing that it would be uncommon to share very high % similarity with them unless your ancestry lines go directly to that population. As we include younger populations, your % of similarity would go up and you'll find closer matches. Note, that the Egyptians people that we have are probably Roman tourists with little African mixture. It is hard to say how long they were in Egypt. The Chumash Paleo-Indian may have not had the time to be differentiated from their Eurasian ancestors. Even mixed people need roots and you have plenty!

emmdee2
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Re: Primeval results

Postby emmdee2 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:33 pm

Eran, thank you. I suppose also most of the results are fairly close in the high 4s to low 5s on the ones where I would expect higher results. Then the Jewish lower not unexpected and the Chumash a bit of an outlier. I thought I read they were carbon dated to 1500's, is there possibly some European mixing in their genetics as well?

Regards.
Marcia

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Re: Primeval results

Postby EElhaik » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:10 am

emmdee2 wrote:Eran, thank you. I suppose also most of the results are fairly close in the high 4s to low 5s on the ones where I would expect higher results. Then the Jewish lower not unexpected and the Chumash a bit of an outlier. I thought I read they were carbon dated to 1500's, is there possibly some European mixing in their genetics as well?

Regards.
Marcia


This is also a matter of the quality of the data and adjustments that we have to make for low-quality data. So, you may be higher, it is just not shown due to the nature of these data. But, new data and better data are pouring in all the time (including for samples that were sequenced in the past). In which case, we will update the results. The Chumash are pretty old https://ancientdnahub.com/20005_Native_ ... umash.html. My guess is, that they are still mostly Northern Eurasians and did not have a chance to differentiate that much.

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dpyates
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Re: Primeval results

Postby dpyates » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:04 pm

Thank you, Marcia for posting your results. We are working on making the results more shareable and understandable. In this phase, it's rather awkward. We'll have a series on our blog about all seven tests, but here is the first I'm copying to this thread.... Bear with me. I'm not good at including pictures... And the hyperlinks did not come through.

My Ancient Israelite Test Results

Having launched the Beta Version of Primeval DNA Test, all of us at DNA Consultants have been fielding customers’ questions about how to read and interpret the dynamic results in their account. While we answer all these as they arise and are happy to do so, there seemed some merit in preparing a series of blog posts that would cover all of the first seven tests and act as a a sort of user guide. I will use my own results as examples.

Among the topics we cover in this series of tips on understanding your results are:

• What is the difference between percent of ancestry and percent of genetic likeness
• What is a high match, low match, medium match?
• How do I compare my match with that of other population groups?
• Where can I learn more?
• Where can I discuss my results?
• Can I compare other types of tests?
• What additional ancient DNA tests are coming?

DNA Consultants has increasingly specialized in Jewish DNA over the past 10 years. We introduced the Basic Jewish DNA Fingerprint Test just last year. So the Ancient Israelite Test is dear to our hearts. It might throw light on some important questions. What bearing would ancient DNA have on the various definitions of Jewish today? What would prove to be the genetic similarity between ancient Natufians or Judeans with contemporary Israelis? With modern-day samples of diaspora Jews like the Ashkenazi and Mizrahi? Which Jewish population today would have the strongest linkage to the ancient population of the Land of Israel?

Before opening the envelope on this one, let me explain that the results tab in a customer’s account has a standardized form customized to the individual taking the test. Each test is identified by a product icon, in this case a Biblical-looking figure next to the official name, Ancient Israelites. The photo is chosen to represent the ancient culture and capture the relevant time period. It may be of a male or female. Autosomal DNA is non-sexed linked. What sex you are does not affect results since none of the markers compared comes from a sex chromosome.


ANCIENT ISRAELITES

Each test also has a sub-heading describing it, in the case of Ancient Israelites, this:

Farmers, herders, merchants and other Levantine people who lived in the bounds of modern-day Israel from the end of the Stone Age down to Biblical times


The tab starts out with a full description of the population or culture. We have copied the description for Ancient Israelites below:
The Ancient Israelites data were compiled from three sites with long histories of occupation in present-day Israel. The sites expose the bedrock DNA of the Holy Land, where the religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam intersect.
Motza Tachtit is a burial site discovered on the outskirts of Jerusalem, present-day Israel, in 2012. It lies 900 meters south-east of the site of Tel Motza, a Neolithic settlement with evidence of rectangular, mud-brick houses, with lime-plastered floors. Only one adult male was discovered at Motza Tachtit. He was buried with the jawbone of a fox placed intentionally under his head. The skeleton was dated to between 9,300 – 8,750 years old. Several more burials have been found at Tel Motza within the walls and under the floors of homes. Genetic analysis suggests that Neolithic farmers from the Levant (modern-day Israel, Jordan and Syria), such as the man discovered at Motza Tachtit, had DNA very similar to the Natufian hunter-gatherers of the preceding Epipaleolithic period. The man from Motza Tachtit had rare South Asian Y chromosome haplogroup H2. This haplogroup has also been found in Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) and Europe, suggesting there were genetic similarities between populations in the Levant, Anatolia and Europe.
A high match to the ancient DNA from Motza Tachtit could mean a genetic link with the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin, the source of the earliest Israelite king, Saul, as well as the House of David.
Raqefet Cave is situated in a valley close to Mount Carmel in present-day Northern Israel, some 27 kilometers (17 miles) south of the city of Haifa. This 50-meter-long cave was first excavated in 1970, and later excavations have revealed it was primarily a cemetery, used by many generations over hundreds of years. In 2017, radiocarbon dating techniques dated the cave to between 13,000 and 14,000 years old YBP, near the start of the Natufian period.
The location was part of the territory allotted to the Tribe of Manasseh, according to the Book of Joshua.

In 2016, the DNA of five males and one female from Raqefet Cave was sequenced. They ranged in age from younger than twelve to older than thirty. Like all Natufians, the inhabitants of Raqefet derived half of their ancestry from Basal Eurasians. Three of the individuals had Y-chromosomes belonging to haplogroup E1b1, which likely originated in East Africa and is also found in early Neolithic farmers from Jordan. Natufian genomes also show similarity to modern-day populations in Saudi Arabia, as well as the Bedouin nomadic peoples of the Arabian Peninsula.
The cave site of Peqi’in is located in land traditionally occupied by the Tribe of Naphtali in Northern Israel. Twenty-two individuals were sampled from this site. They were carbon-dated to between 5,900 and 6,500 years old. Genetic analysis has shown that these individuals were most closely-related to earlier Levantine populations that have lived in the area since the Neolithic, but around 35% of their DNA also came from Chalcolithic Iranians and Anatolian farmers from the north.
The mitochondrial haplogroups of these individuals were diverse. Seventeen of the twenty-two individuals belonged to haplogroups H, J, N1, T, and K, which form the dominant haplogroups associated with the Neolithic across the Middle East and Europe, having their origins in this region dating back to the Paleolithic. One individual belonged to haplogroup R, which is a common haplogroup worldwide today outside of Africa and is of very ancient ancestry, dating back some 60,000 years. Two individuals belonged to haplogroups I and R, which haplogroups are characteristic of the Paleolithic prior to agriculture in Europe. All of the males belonged to Y chromosome haplogroup T (previously called K), a Phoenician signature.
Code: ISR-13
Ancient DNA Hub Reference: Prehistoric Israel
Multicultural Story ID: 20002
Ancient genomes contributing to story: 18 (Gal, Issec, Sarah, Terah, Nahor, Debra, Abraham, Ashkenaz, Meshach, Hagar, Agam, Keturah, Bruriah, Adam, Hanoch, Eber, Haran, Ruth)
Sites: Motza Tachtit, Raqefet Cave, Peqi’in
You may also be interested in the following modern populations:
Majorcan Jews-Chueta
Jewish
Hungarian-Ashkenazim
Israeli Jews
You may be interested in the following Primeval DNA Test:
Egyptian Mummies

Ancient genomes contributing to story: 18 (Gal, Issec, Sarah, Terah, Nahor, Debra, Abraham, Ashkenaz, Meshach, Hagar,
Agam, Keturah, Bruriah, Adam, Hanoch, Eber, Haran, Ruth)
Next you see a map anchoring the sites (in Israel in the present case), and a circle with colored sections representing the individuals in the test. In this case, the 18 ancient individuals you are being compared to are: Gal, Issec, Sarah, Terah, Nahor, Debra, Abraham, Ashkenaz, Meshach, Hagar, Agam, Keturah, Bruriah, Adam, Hanoch, Eber, Haran, Ruth.

By clicking on the hyperlinks, you open a popup window that gives you some summary information on the individual, for instance, where the name comes from, haplogroups and the like.
Each individual also has a distinctively colored “spoke” in the wheel. If you hover over the spoke, it will show the name and degree of genetic likeness, for instance: Gal 6.07. At the same time, the chart below will be filled in accordingly, as below. Clicking on the sector of the circle for Gal will keep her information visible. From it, we can see that she is 1) female, 2) 6200 years old (which translates to 4250 BCE), 3) has mitochondrial haplogroup H4 (there is no Y chromosome haplogroup, because she is female), and 4) was found at latitude 32.97N, longitude 35.33E (the location of Peqi’in Cave in Northern Israel).

Putting all this together, I can see that my strongest match in ancient Israel is to a woman referred to as Gal—as in the name of the film actress Gal Gadot, who played Wonder Woman. “Gal” was buried about 6000 years ago in Peqi’in Cave, a large Natufian cemetery located outside a major Druze town in Israel’s Northern District in Upper Galilee. By reading more, I learn that, traditionally, the Jewish community of Peqi'in has maintained a presence here since the Second Temple period, that in Biblical times it belonged to the tribe of Manesseh and was part of the Northern Kingdom, and that in more remote times, its original people were Levantine joined by newcomers from the East who seem to have introduced a genetic disposition for blue eye color and fair skin that decreased over the ages. All males at the site carried haplogroup T, thought by many to be the signature of the Phoenicians.

Just this rudimentary information is enough to make me want to set forth on a years-long voyage des études that will take me to the birthplace of the Phoenicians, to the far-flung lands of Central Asia where the Tribe of Manasseh was exiled and to wherever the Basal Eurasians originated. Ancient DNA is truly a game changer, a stimulant to new knowledge, a toppler of theories.

How do I compare against modern-day Jewish populations in genetic similarity? Genetic similarity is not the same as percent of ancestry. It expresses the degree to which your genome duplicates strands of DNA in the ancient sequences. Most percentages range from 2 to 12. Obviously, it does not mean that I am directly descended from the skeleton named Gal, or that I am about 6% Natufian (and 94% non-Natufian). As a rule of thumb, the older the ancient sample, the lower the percentage of similarity to a modern genome.

So how does that compare to other living Jews? If you study the comparisons below (activate by ticking the boxes next to the alphabetized world populations—a bar chart is instantly displayed), I am right in the ballpark with other Jews. Yemeni Jews appear to have the highest score for genetic similarity with ancient Israelites (6.69), Ashkenazi Jews the lowest (5.72), but all Jews are closely clustered together around the 6% mark.

Note we are comparing my highest ancient Israelite match, Gal (6.07). My average genetic similarity, taking into account all 18 individuals compared, is 4.30.

Sharing the top spot with Gal in my results are Bruriah (5.65), another woman from Peqi’in, and Adam (5.68), a male of haplogroups K (mitochondrial) and T (Y chromosomal) much older, from over 15,000 years ago.

My lowest match in the ancient Israelite test was Ashkenaz 2.94 (Raqefet Cave, 4250 BCE).

Does Gal better represent the original population of Israelites, Jews and Hebrews? Or is my Jewish ancestry perhaps more clearly linked to the “Northern Tribes”? On a genealogical basis, my ancestry is mostly Sephardic, not Ashkenazic. In the new DNA Fingerprint Plus, which has included since 2018 a matchable sample formed from 163 Israeli Jews tested in Tel Aviv, Israeli Jews was my no. 5 match. Jewish followed only Scottish, English, Welsh and Dutch.

How about your own matches?

Here's the bottom line, so to speak...

I share an average of
4.30%
genetic similarity with
ANCIENT ISRAELITES
You share the highest genetic similarity with
Gal 6.07%
Gender

Name Gal
Age (before present) 6200
MtDNA haplogroup H4
Y haplogroup
Coordinates Lat.: 32.97, Long.: 35.33
Genetic similarity 6.07%

Here is how I compare with other Jews...

Me (Donald Yates) 6.07
Iran (Jew) 6.23
Iraq (Jew) 6.44
Israel (Palestinian) 6.21
Lebanon 6.18
Ashkenazi Jew 5.72
Turkey (Jew) 6.05
Ukraine 4.39
Armenia 6.16
Georgia (Jew) 6.09
Yemen (Jew) 6.69
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Principal Investigator, http://dnaconsultants.com


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